work that can create what we call transformations systems like health or education systems using what we now know about how systems work and using complexity theory in order to be more effective than ever before We must now apply that knowledge and not be scared of complexity Philanthropy can take the lead in doing this as it has somewhat more freedom from the short term political interests that characterize democracies and industries that have shareholder interests to look after So this is an exciting time I look forward to the breakthroughs that will come from this kind of collective action Zoran Puljic Foundations make a lot of mistakes And of course some one is always waiting around the corner to tear us apart for the mistakes we have made But I think legitimacy can also be achieved through learning It s good to have these forums as foundations which are closed to the media and under house rules we can discuss our failures and raise these kinds of issues and dilemmas in an open environment so that we can actually learn from them And then again be more transparent be more relevant Which opportunities and challenges do you see for the philanthropic sector in the coming years Larry Kramer All the accomplish ments of philanthropy so far have been possible because there are some foundations we take for granted The existence of a stable democratic system has enabled a whole lot of things for us as had the existence of a stable physical social and political environment so we could think about long term investments and long term institutional development These foundations are at risk now globally The fact of climate change and the increasing dysfunction within democratic systems threaten the foundations on which everything else we do stands For any funder to continue what they have been doing as if that s not happening seems unten able Because when these foundations unravel all the good they ve accom plished will be undone Every funder should be addressing climate change not because it s more important than every other problem but because it is part of every other problem Those are the two places that really need to be focused on whatever your other priorities Zoran Puljic I would put the fourth industrial revolution even before climate change Even if they are interconnected I think we are moving from a time of stability into a time of volatility in which the world becomes increasingly unpredictable And that s going to put a lot of pressure on Zenda Ofir is a South African evaluator who has worked from local to global level with bi and multilateral organizations governments universities and foundations in more than 40 countries She is the former president of the African Evaluation Association Honorary Professor at Stellenbosch University and was a Richard von Weizsäcker Fellow of the Robert Bosch Academy in Berlin in 2019 She is committed to advancing evaluation for sustainable and transformative development informed by diverse models experiences and value systems around the world foundations People will start asking why don t you use your resources better to address some of these emerging challenges globally And I think that s at the same time an opportunity because if we do it right we can really help towards easing these volatilities and caring for the ones left behind because there will be more and more of these in the next couple of years Zenda Ofir The era of the anthropo cene is here in which humankind is doing huge damage to the planet The urgency with which solutions need to be found and the scale in which they need to be found are extraordinary This is a fantastic time for collective 33THE MAGAZINE 2 19

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