Let me ask you a very basic ques tion How can you be sure your philanthropy is effective Larry Kramer That is a hard question to answer because it s so broad and general It breaks into two questions First what should be the ends that we seek This will help us get a sense of where we should focus our philan thropy The second is how are we going about achieving it Are we doing it well Zenda as an evaluator with years of experience how do you define effective philanthropy Zenda Ofir Let s consider what I would evaluate for if I want to ensure effective philanthropy I would say effective philanthropy today is not human centered it is planet cen tered or ecosystem centered It will involve working with a long term perspective even when conducting short term initiatives Reductionism and linear thinking are out For philanthropy to be effective means dealing with complexity fearlessly Humility is in about what works why and how I will look for philanthropy that doesn t just go with conventional models of development that are based on outdated thinking Agility and adaptiveness are in so effective philanthropy would mean organiza To make a better impact we need to share the data we collect individually Zoran Puljic whose values count when you deter mine what works why how and for whom it works and also what you want to achieve The second what should be seen as a success These two questions are connected Different value systems may give different definitions of success And achieving objectives may not be the same as effective philanthropy because the objectives may not be appropriate at the time for the society it s trying to serve I am struck by how little we know about how different societies think and may act in re sponse to intervention Can you give an example Zenda Ofir Certain indigenous peoples will not accept data or information as evidence unless they were part of developing it This runs counter to notions of objectivity or the need to minimize bias And if you are initiating philanthropy programs in an indigenous society whose values are you going to use to determine whether the evidence that you are using leads to a credible assessment of effective ness or success Larry Kramer We do a lot of work around women s reproductive health in Francophone West Africa I some times find that work problematic in the following way we know the fertility rates are around seven children per woman we know that has terrible effects on the environment society the opportunities these families have for the future and so on and yet the tions working in that mode Thinking in trajectories not in snapshots is critical this is also true when evaluat ing Finally I will look for philanthro py that is not so obsessed with impact measurement What do you mean by obsessed with impact measurement Zenda Ofir Today s philanthropy also needs to consider the best design and implementation for effective sus tained impact and for transformation not just to try to measure it Even more importantly effective philanthropy will engage seriously with the conse quences of what it might be doing that may dampen or neutralize the good that comes from its actions Larry Kramer All of the things Zenda touched on are part of that last question I mentioned Are we doing it well This is where measurement has its place you can t know if you re doing it well if you have no ability to measure it On the other hand measurement can become a fetish that gets in the way You have to make sure that the tail isn t wagging the dog that you are asking reasonable questions For us this means that we build evaluation into the strategy right from the outset Zenda Ofir I do not disagree but there are two elephants in the room One is Measurement can become a fetish that gets in the way Larry Kramer Debate30 Robert Bosch Stiftung

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